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Thanks for the info on the New Templates Page, I have bookmarked it and will use it in future. This only leaves the question how I make use of the template if I click on a "non-existing" page to edit what I found out on that location/topic? Jobet (talk) 00:46, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks again for explaining how to make use of the templates - I'll give it a try later on. I'll be away for business reasons though for some days so it may take some time. But I have your advice on my talk page to follow. Jobet (talk) 18:05, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the "quest section" - I think I ignored that when marking pages as incomplete, except for Apple Pie, which I think was involved in at least one quest. Scheijan (talk) 04:17, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Can we have the category "incomplete article" in the templates for new pages? That way they would all be marked with it initially and we could remove the category once the page is finished. Scheijan (talk) 21:44, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Adding Table of Contents modules
How do you add the table of contents element to a page?
Links to special pages?
I'm using the visual editor mostly. The UI indicates that the links should be internal to wiki pages. I like this interface because it tells you if the page exists or not. See the screenshot. Anyway, I don't recall using any http links at all, so I'm not sure about that. Maybe those were some of the first bits I edited, but I've definitely never used anything but the visual editor's linking interface.
I am going to create a table with all items that give energy (food, drinks, fruit, fish, ...) and the amount of coins you get for selling them (and maybe a "coins per energy" column). But I am not really sure where to put it. Should I create a new page for it? Or maybe add it to Energy? Scheijan (talk) 21:21, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
I saw that you added some info from the Almanc to the Stone Mine page - but I can't find it in the Almanac. Where did you find that? I was looking for something like that for the Clay Pile page... Scheijan (talk) 01:30, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
Can we have the sell price for every item in the item info box thingy?
Hi! I just created a page for Ko Chang, Thailand. I'm having a terrible time getting the pictures in the right place (the Add a Photo buttons in the picture place holders don't do anything) and the preview looks a lot better than the published page, without all the duplicates. Maybe it's my browser? (Using Safari on a Mac) Anyway, sorry it's such a mess. I did figure out how to create internal links, so that's a plus! :) Any suggestions for doing this better? It's not so much of a help if you need to go and clean up after everyone else! Thanks. Thysby (talk) 03:40, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
Looks like some shops (e.g Fruit Wagons) change their stock more or less regulary - I just checked the ones in Florence and in Changzhi and they're only selling Apples right now. Not sure how to deal with that - any suggestions? Should we change the pages regularly as well? Or list everything they "sometimes" sell and add a note that they don't always have that item? Any better ideas? Scheijan (talk) 20:37, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
Yep, that was me, sorry, forgot the signature again.
So... No, I don't feel overwhelmed by doing that list. I just think we should establish a system to deal with the changes now. I also don't mind having to edit more stuff if we keep one entry per item per store per location in the list - most of that can be done with search&replace anyway. And I agree, it seems silly to keep the items that were removed (with or without a "only available sometimes" note). Someone using the wiki wants to know where he/she can buy Barley now - and is probably not really interested in the fact that it once was sold in Florence. I don't really like the idea to split the table up in "regular" and "special" offers though - I like to be able to sort it and not having to know in advance whether the item I might be looking for is a "regular" or a "special" offer.
We might as well just go ahead as we started and just remove/add things to reflect the changes in the game. On that note: it would be nice to have some kind of announcement or something telling us when they change stuff like that. It would also be helpful to know whether the devs have a plan regarding the shops - I think I will try to contact one of them. Maybe they could tell us which things will be (more or less) stable and which will change regularly. Scheijan (talk) 20:37, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
So I got an answer from one of the admins. During the beta everything might be changed at any point in time. They are checking what people buy/gift, what is too easy to get, what is too difficult and so on. And they have no idea at this point what else they might change or what they might change back.
So for now (as long as we're in beta) I'd suggest we just keep going like we started and I will revisit the stores again and update the wiki.
Ok, then let's just go on like we started for now. I will go through the list again tonight to reflect the latest changes. And then we can see how the devs will handle stuff once we're out of beta - and then decide how we won't to go on with this. Scheijan (talk) 16:35, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
When I was talking with the admin he also offered to tag a forum post as an announcement so people get to know about the wiki. What do you think about that? Would you write a post in the forum for that? Shall I?
And on a related note: Do we get any kind of statistics? Like... which pages of the wiki are visited most often? Page hits? Unique visitors? Anything like that? Scheijan (talk) 13:51, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I meant. And I agree with you - we should have some more stuff done before we announce it again. I will thank the admin for the offer and tell him that we'll get back to him once the wiki has some more info. I'm working on the monster pages, I think I should have all the basic almanac info added by tonight. Scheijan (talk) 16:37, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
Hi! It was pleasure for me to edit those loctions, I'm from Poland and couldn't stand that none of polish locations was described ;) And I really like catalogue things so I'm going to add some locations in future too :)
I didn't add pictures because I don't know what should I do to capture all location in one photo :/ And I don't know if I did something wrong, but when I checked Europe category there wasn't any location I've described.. Yvess (talk) 13:44, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
I would like to update pages, i.e. Stone Dance of Boitin using a template so it has the same info/headers as the otehr pages. I can enter one of those templates (i.e. "Infobox"), but then I do not know how to enter the contents/change headers. Maybe I'm just a stupid old woman barely able to mamage Word and Excel ..
thanks, I do get to the new page but then I can't use the "New_Page_Templates". I do find the "incomplete" template in the list of templates on the right hand side of the screen but not the New_Page_Templates. What am I missing?
How do i get more missions i ran out of them?( mike)
First I just wanted to say Hi. I think this Wikia is a great Idea and I am glad you founded it.
I started working on some of the Locations in Asia, but I am not to familiar with working with Wikis so I wanted to know if I was editing/adding them correctly. And if there were items that I might be forgetting. Please let me know if the pages look good thus far.
hi i have a recent picture of the new green goblin and also a full picture of mister dee and edmund if you want them i will also have a look about at some other things that may not of been edited yet and see if i maybe able to help126.96.36.199 21:44, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
They released new butterflies and fish today.
Southern Swallowtial (I think)
Please check the Blackhope Scar and Argoal pages to see if I did them right????
Can we get the Roast Orange Guppy page deleted? I renamed Roast Blue Guppy and added the new info (energy and cost changes} but they are both now under one header in the almanac ( so are smoked fish, but I haven't gotten there yet)Lllaune (talk) 00:48, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Amanda, I was reading the blogs and I noticed a comment about a "Trap Template" is there one available? I've noticed a few of the pages are looking a little rough :) Thanks Melena 14:55, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
hi sorry to bother you with this i know anyone can make posts on this wiki .....ive been helpiing out for awhile now but i find that people posting the same thing over your edit is wrong ....i agree if they can better it in anyway yes but not so that they can use this to their own advantage just to pass people.....ive found alot of things ive added has been edited over by the same thing and i just dont agree to this i dont know what your opinon is of it...but i think its very childish Kelly ratcliffe (talk) 15:39, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
Kelly..I wasn't going over just your pages.. Like I said.. Look in the history of the pages. I believe your computer is changing the format of the template..Nothing more.
Sorry Amanda. I'm just trying to help. I'm addicted to the wiki just as much as the game.
Melena 16:17, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
I double checked by category, counting each set and comparing them to the almanac, all monsters are in their current categories... However for some reason when I serched for the water category it did not immediately come up with that category, nor did searching water monsters... (maybe I keyed wrong?) had to search category: water to get it to show in the first page of search results.
Someone had started to add the new pic of the monster category (the category logo)to a few pages, but seem to have left off... I may carry on doing that eventually....Lllaune (talk) 14:44, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
Hey! I logged in the morning and thought, Wow! It's refreshing and I like it. I thought the same thing about the YELLOW. Hmm.. but it does match the logo perfectly. I say leave it. :)
Yeah, I've been talking with Mel about that. I'd been noticing EDIT STORM happening around here and finally had some time to jump in, and I guess I just picked the wrong spot. I'm glad they've been fixing the plate of spaghetti that is the Yanartas-to-Stonehenge quest line and I hope they've done the same with the Musketeer-Peluda stuff. Just makes me a little sad that I'm not with it enough to have put all my data somewhere useful while it was still useful. :p I've still got the Leo and Shadya questlines incomplete, and the latest Nanjing extension. I may go put in some "travels with Henry" quests...make myself feel useful. Alenxa (talk) 00:31, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
So I was just at Chaohu Lake... I was collecting wild ginger down by the waterfront. I noticed a little chick in front of the Buddha statue and hovered my cursor over it. It had a name - Chirpy. When I clicked on Chirpy, a little talk bubble came up (can't remember exactly what it said but along the lines of "chirp chirp cheep cheep, here - have a coin") and it gave me a gold wishing coin then disappeared. I've searched on the wiki and can't find any mention of Chirpy. It's also not listed as one of the quest rewards from the quests that take place at Chaohu Lake (I had wondered whether maybe I'd just missed a reward when I completed a quest there or something). Of course, I totally neglected to get screenshots of it. Thought I'd let you know in case you could go there and see if it works for you and maybe screenshot it. I'm going to head back there tomorrow in case it's a little-known 'every 24 hour' reward! Anna2405 (talk) 22:26, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
I went back and Chirpy's not there. It hasn't been a full 24 hours yet, but it *is* a new day. Ah well... I guess it was too much to hope for that they'd give us a gold wishing coin every day ;) Anna2405 (talk) 17:14, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
Just read this and it seems it's a quest reward that you only get if you're smart enough to actually read and follow through on the stuff the characters tell you. Clearly not me, then. Lol!
Well that makes sense (not including how rare fish are on location page), think I just saw it done somewhere & just went along with it. I will try make sure to check everythings included if I update a page & try to include quest links :) I assume no matter what trap you put down, all the monsters are listed? Axdv (talk) 10:13, July 16, 2013 (UTC)
Definately a nicer layout :) centered is good. Such an awkward image size. And yeah, it seems easier to read and just nicer overall. Maybe the image below the intro text? Not sure if that will work or detract from the text? But looks fine as is anyway. :) & YAY for less work :) Axdv (talk) 01:19, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
I started playing "here be monsters" about 2 weeks ago, i recently found help with the game through wiki. I really enjoy helping others and editing things i see that have errors so i'm having a lot of fun on wiki, lol. i'm writing because i came across a page for Nawapara Forest, it had no information so i decided to fill it out. i should have read the edit/templete page first but i didn't and now i have a small problem with the page. The problem is really small but it is bugging me so hopefully you will help me make it right. take a look at the page
i want to know how do i get those little black dots in front of each line and why is it double space instead of single? thanks for any help and if you have any suggestions please share. talk top you soon, SusanDW SusanDW (talk) 10:12, July 17, 2013 (UTC) (SusanDW (talk) 10:12, July 17, 2013 (UTC) why the tildes?)
Somehow I had completely missed that the wiki had a Facebook page. I've never admin-ed one of those, but my husband has. I'm going to ask him what's involved with that (I'm ridiculously visual) once we've recovered from vacation and I'll let you know. Alenxa (talk) 06:24, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
I figured that was the idea. Mainly my brain is having difficulty processing "leave a blank section just in case" vs. "this section is NEVER gonna be needed, amirite." Usually I pick a page that's been edited to current standard and model off that till I internalize it, but with the fish I was doing yesterday I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to quickly find one that I could be sure was current. Add to this that I'm on a laptop so side-by-side isn't really workable, and it devolved into WTF soup rather than sorting itself out. Provided El Kid doesn't decide to headbutt the TV or something, today should be better.
On the subject of tree/flower counts: are we going to be putting them on both the item page and the location page, or just one? That's something I could easily get to pounding out today, regardless of what standard we're using. Alenxa (talk) 17:17, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
Back in the days when I had more limited energy, I would look up locations for items hoping to find one near me or near a friend. As I gained levels, it became a question of how many of the item were at the location--it kinda bites to need to make rennet and land in a spot where there are 9 nettles. I don't mind the item counts only being on the item pages, as if you're looking for the place with the most of something then you're not likely to be as invested in a particular place. The format doesn't matter so much as having the information. I like
Link, country (#)
but that would mean changing a TON of stuff. Not that I don't like having steady work (darn 14-day badge keeps getting reset), but sometimes it gets ridiculous.
As for the giant list pages, I do like the table idea. It wouldn't look too much different from the 3-column layout and it would be majorly easier to find whatever you might be looking for. And since the items in question are common, they probably won't have any locations added unless there are new locations added, possibly making editing easier for the tables-impaired. Alenxa (talk) 02:30, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
Looks good. I can't decide whether wordwrap or newline would be better for fish with multiple baits. Newline could potentially add too much length, but so many end in "lure" that wrap might look a little...mushy. Try it and see, I guess. Otherwise I can't think of anything else to mess with. Alenxa (talk) 06:05, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
Cool :) Yeah, Russia is a little too far from any of my friends homes so I moved on to North America. Also, am about to put up a pic for Lake Maracaibo (have a buddy that is super close). Could reach Parque Arvi (Columbia), but my trap is up North saving my spot :). Axdv (talk) 06:54, July 26, 2013 (UTC)
Western Fundy Shore has a tiny pile of stones (1 stone worth it seems) shall I bother listing this? And what shall I call it, as Stone Mine would be a little misleading xD. Thanks. Axdv (talk) 07:35, July 27, 2013 (UTC)
Awesome, that will save a bit of work!
Thanks will ask if need any help.
It is a perfect Wiki and see no reasons to change any of the layouts so easy to use.
One thing, do you know when they are going to update with new quests on the game, as I am getting quite bored so is my friend. At the rate I am going I am going to finish all doable Almanac.
(New note! Psst, person above me, August 12th we'll have new quests.) I use Chrome, though I could easily also check in FF/Safari. I just find Chrome faster, though that could be bias. I really think my color perception is getting trashed more by the lighting where I usually sit; the lights are all in the corners around here because of El Kid and radiant ceiling heating. I'll have to see what things look like under a good ceiling light, and check the Game Guides app on my phone too. Alenxa (talk) 05:58, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
Hi! I found harvestable starium, creep vine and creep weed at Severomorsk. I've edited the relevant pages to add it in but thought I'd better double check with you since this isn't a location I've visited before and I don't know whether a) it's always been there and is a one time harvest only thing, b) it's a new addition to the game and will regenerate at this location, c) it's a new addition to the game but will appear at random locations or d) whether there was some other reason it wasn't already listed on the resources at Severomorsk. Obviously feel free to get rid of my edits or change them in any way if I've done the wrong thing! Anna2405 (talk) 21:45, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
I missed that update - I was away in the UK! I'll revert my edits then. Maybe I'll add a bit to the Starium, Creep Vine and Creep Weed pages to reflect that? Anna2405 (talk) 21:58, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
We had a great time, thanks!! The weather was fab, we got out and about a lot and my daughters had a lovely time, so all was good. Jet lag, not so much ;) Sounds as though you've been super duper busy! Let me know if there's anything specific you want me to do - I was working on location pages before I went away, but they seem to be pretty much in hand now, so if you have any other jobs going begging, send them my way :D Anna2405 (talk) 05:42, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
Was just going through editing Asia location pages when I came across the Timna Valley page listed under Israel, I noticed it is also listed under Egypt, Africa I think? And the page itself suggests it is in Africa. It's pretty much on the border so not too sure, just thought I'd let you know. So you can save it being listed twice under the locations page. :) Axdv (talk) 06:42, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
hi there well finished all the stinging nettles but the page says here on this on *Dacian Fortresses, Romania it has them i went thru and took everything out of there and there is none and i do not want to edit any of the pages it is listed on so just giving you a heads up thanks Medoitmommy (talk) 00:58, August 15, 2013 (UTC)Carol
I like using the wiki, figured since i was in the area and picking tree's i'd verify the information and help out. thanks for the warm welcome :)
I don't know how to do all that stuff yet, just figured out that source code was easier for me to use to add a location linked to a page. One baby step at a time, i'm not html or what not litterate. Just out of the blue wanted to update the numbers on a few pages. Teddy372
I'm definitely excited about new stuff being rolled out. I doubt I'll be in a position to add much of it here, unfortunately, as tomorrow's looking to be taken up with RL crud, but it's still a big YAY! Alenxa (talk) 07:23, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
I mainly didn't want to overwrite anyone else who might have just uploaded a better pic. Same with the Yabbie Chowder last go-around. When I went back to the update category page this time I realized I should have just gone for it. Next time! Alenxa (talk) 18:44, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
are e lot of people, post scrab on the great wiki. I have e great respect of our job with this wiki :-). OK my englisch is miserable but our understand my. Can i have our direct for the supervision for HBM. It is e great Thing this Wiki
Hi! Lara Gillon-Gray here! Trying to do my profile and I do not know what I am doing. Plus my hubby is sleeping and I am doing this in the dark! I think I put one of my pictures in a site wide album, thinking it was my own. Maybe you can check on that. I started to do a slide show and ending up with alot of pictures from the picture section. SO if you see anything wrong, please let me know so one of us can fix it. If it is major please fix it and then tell me about it so I do not do it again. Thanks for writing me so quick!Lara Gillon-Gray (talk) 11:53, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the fast response! I am doing "prt screen and then putting it into Microsoft paint, Then uploading. I just can not seem to control where they go. How do you delete a picture that is a duplicate out in the public area?
Do we ever have anything like fashion shows in the forum? Showing the complete outfits fro daym the 2 stores and the wishing well? I have been trying to change the clothes every day or so, and making her hair and eyes to match,Lara Gillon-Gray (talk) 13:08, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
Hello! I really like the new front cover page! I did the survey and then started to work on my profile, slow but sure. You ere asking for volunteers, what do you need done. I am home, 24/7 mostly. Let me know!
Hello! Sorry to bother you again. I posted some pics of the world map of Alligator Bend earlier for the project. After that, I did not really know what else to do, which size of any of the oics, did not know the size needed. Help!!
HI! On my home page, how do I edit the fold status block?
Also, when I posted that picture of the map for Alligator Bend would that not aquire me another badge, adding photo?
hello, hope you can help, decided now was a good time to upgrade workshop but didn't realize i would need to use the workshop to upgrade it. i've already applied the blueprint, how am i suppose to get the stuff i can't ask neighbors for? SusanDW (talk) 04:18, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
What do i do now i have finished all of the quests in London and Nanjing?
hello, about the workshop, i did all the "ask a friend", i did start making the hook in the workshop yesterday but now my workshop is sitting idle and when i try to make anything else it says it's busy, i have not recieved the hook. i sent a ticket to the developers, hope they can fix it. ty for your suggestions.
yes it does, duh, feel like an idiot, you said that in the first message and just didn't click, got things going now, thank you very much
Hi hi just wanted to let you know that i was fishing for catfish over on loch ness and used 59 white lures and got 59 catfish can we add this as a fan fav?? thanks Medoitmommy (talk) 11:02, September 4, 2013 (UTC)carol
Hello great new things happening this am i see anyways there are so far 2 locations to get the new goodies Dzungarian Gate and Dagze lake so far will update if i find any more Medoitmommy (talk) 14:01, September 4, 2013 (UTC)Carol
No problem. Its been a long day and was a bit fuzzy headed so didnt really dig. I'll keep it in mind for the future. Y'all have done quite a lot while I was working my 12 hour shift. I have another one tomorrow so I'm off to bed soon. Take care. Lanatin (talk) 00:54, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
Hiya! I have updated counts for Strelka, Nankoweap Rapid, Mount Everest and Plain of Jars, but did not want to remove from the Incomplete item counts page until I had checked with you.
Plain of Jars has the new trees so needs a new pic but I'll leave that to you!
Also done counts for
I am (s l o w l y) adding counts and locations to the grass page and going through the category page for Europe I noticed Ireland was missing but I couldn't edit.
I tried to do columns on the grass page but could not make it work, could you possibly have a look (sorry) ?
Also what's going on with Belgium - are Knieff and Hoogeloon in Belgium as they appear to be on the map??
Also did counts for a couple more pages from the Incomplete counts category AND worked out how to remove them too! (LOL!)
Thanks for doing columns! :)
I think Ireland missing from Europe category page here: http://herebemonsters.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Europe (under I) ?
Just felt sorry for poor Belgium with no locations, LOL!
While doing grass counts I noticed Sea of Galilee was missing from the Israel category page so have added that, and also moved Syria from Africa category to Asia, was wondering about the MIddle East category?
Asia is finished for grass now (yipeee!) just Europe, Africa, America to go, LOL!
ok, try this again. I was unaware that I was changing anything, it was accidental. I figured out why I was having the numbers and line of stuff, I was copying the fan favorite and the enblem instead of the green thingy. I have been filling in blanks on the flowers as I go about collecting them. I hope this is ok. This is the type of thing I enjoy doing but am unsure how much is ok for me to do. I noticed the messages and got them the other day but it took me a while to figure out how to answer. Thank you for allowing me to help other players as those before me have helped me. Beth - grandmadotson
thank you so much for welcoming me to the page!!! I LOVE here be monsters, stumbled on it by accident seen that it was a "brand new game" didnt think it was going to be as good as it is though. I wish i had known about this game last year, I am soooo far behind everybody else. Feel free to be my buddy Dawn in Brazil
Oops! Sorry about that. I didn't even realize there was the new category until I saw you adding it, and then I thought I was doing something wrong by leaving it off. :) Thanks for letting me know. Ryoryo (talk) 14:04, October 18, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Manda. I've been working on things as I find them to a certain extent, but I thought I'd see if there's any kind of organization in how we're approaching the updates. If so, I'd be happy to have you give me a list of things to work on. For example, has someone started putting together a new energy table? Otherwise, I'll just keep picking random things. Ryoryo (talk) 20:19, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
Couple of questions:
- On location pages do we just put the quests that are given at that location; or all that use the location also? As I've seen it done both ways.
- And for the items pages is there certain wording to use if the item is not needed for quests? As I've seen a few different versions and was wondering which is preferred.
Sorry for bombarding you with questions. But, do we include the date an item was added in the description above the almanac quote? As again; some have some haven't. Axdv (talk) 02:54, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
Haha Thanks for the sorta answers :) I always check the templates then a couple of similar pages, but when they're all different it gets a little confusing!! xD Yeah, it would definately be nice to come up with some sort of standardised wording/layout :) Axdv (talk) 03:46, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
Guess I just showed I dont know what Im doing LOL I t took me mor ethan a half hour to do that editing, and I STILL didnt finish it properly! Thanks for helping me outJenUin (talk) 23:40, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Mndarr =)
Awesome what you guys did here while I was gone. I will be more active again now and I'll try to help where I can. And thank you for fixing the link on my user page for me! Scheijan (talk) 01:22, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
I started in source, did a copy/paste, then noticed the astrick, I also noticed that there is an achievement for gathering all the rough jewels that are not on the different stone's pages when i was looking up where to find them to get the achievement for my ,com alt/
I've been doing the La Ferte-Bernard quest line involving the musketeers and the All for one! Achievement - and didnt recieve the achievement until I finished the 'Au Revoir Athos' Quest, not the 'All for one, and one for all!' Quest - in fact, I didnt come across that quest at all. Is it possible its from an old quest line? Or I somehow managed to skip over it? Something isnt quite right here... Help me figure it out please! Camalicious (talk) 18:55, February 11, 2014 (UTC)
Hello! I wonder if you could have a look at the monster bait table I've started
I'm having trouble getting the columns, especially the Effectiveness (probably not the right word but I couldn't think of what else to call it?) column to sort and wondered if you could help? TY!
When it's finished and if I can get it to work properly I'll move it from a blog post to a page